tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post4703109266860950891..comments2024-03-25T17:49:41.408-07:00Comments on Salem Breakfast on Bikes: City Council, April 27th - Bikes, Bikes, BikesSalem Breakfast on Bikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-69548864231923971052015-04-28T12:41:40.871-07:002015-04-28T12:41:40.871-07:00Thanks for the TGM news!
Also, updated with lette...Thanks for the TGM news!<br /><br />Also, updated with letter from Salem Alliance Church.Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-47908506631514830382015-04-27T06:10:38.717-07:002015-04-27T06:10:38.717-07:00Someone from inside the TGM process told me that t...Someone from inside the TGM process told me that they viewed the 3rd Bridge application last year as a complete joke, because it was in absolute opposition to TGM principles for transportation projects. So I wouldn't view future applications regarding the 3rd Bridge as having any chance of being approved. The City is wasting their time with this. The bike boulevard application, on the other hand, has every chance of being approved, so I wouldn't view the 3rd Bridge application as a threat to that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-54569683841202366742015-04-26T21:52:28.738-07:002015-04-26T21:52:28.738-07:00@Curt - You may be right!
Though in 2009 the &quo...@Curt - You may be right!<br /><br />Though in 2009 the "Fundamentals of Bicycle Boulevard Planning & Design" came out and listed several as case studies:<br /><br />Bill Roalman “Morro Street” Bicycle Boulevard – San Luis Obispo, California<br />Bryant Street “Ellen Fletcher” Bicycle Boulevard – Palo Alto, California<br />Channing Street Bicycle Boulevard – Berkeley, California<br />Haven Avenue “OC-1 Bikeway” – Ocean City, New Jersey<br />Lincoln-Harrison Bicycle Boulevard – Portland, Oregon<br />Monroe-Friendly Bicycle Boulevard – Eugene, Oregon<br />Third Street Bicycle Boulevard – Tucson, Arizona<br />40’s Bikeway – Portland, Oregon<br /><br />(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_boulevard" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia also adds several more to the list</a>.)<br /><br />It seemed like the manual was a distinct signal that the early "innovation" phase should be over and we were - or should be - moving into the much larger "early adoption" phase.<br /><br />In this decade, the innovation has seemed like it was in the "green lane" separated bike lane projects.<br /><br />Anyway, it's not possible to be sure here, and you could be right that bike boulevards still should be considered experimental.<br /><br />Still, it has seemed that developing bike boulevards should be fairly natural extension from Bike and Walk Salem; so from this standpoint, that a pilot has required extra prodding and advocacy, no matter how responsive staff have been, remains a disappointment. A TGM project would wrap up with adoption in the summer of 2017 or so, and that puts us into the 2020s for construction probably. And planning new bike boulevards also in the 2020s.<br /><br />That's not very inspiring to me. And so this is, as you rightly point out, a "half-empty" reading.<br /><br />@Jim & Susann<br /><br />In our current environment I don't see you find a way to redirect Marine Drive to be "a quiet, slow, local street with good bike/ped facilities." With good design that might be something to embrace - but allowing that seems like it would be a Trojan Horse for an expressway, and the project would morph back to an OR-22 connector.<br /><br />The point for a local street would be to serve mobility by walking, biking, and bus - human capacity - and to get cars off of Wallace road not by siphoning off car traffic but to permit more people to substitute non-auto trips for drive-alone trips.<br /><br />If Marine Drive is conceived as just an auto "safety valve" or parallel alternate to Wallace, than as Susann says that doesn't get you very far.<br /><br />If Marine Drive can really be redirected to a quiet street, then maybe it's something to reconsider. (Maybe proponents of this concept will discuss it in more detail.) But for the moment, it seems better to be deeply skeptical of <i>any</i> Marine Drive proposal that runs concurrently with the SRC process.Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-49392655043882197052015-04-26T18:14:16.015-07:002015-04-26T18:14:16.015-07:00I am not sure I like Marine Dr for a couple of rea...I am not sure I like Marine Dr for a couple of reasons. 1) estimated cost is $12 million; and 2) gets only a few cars off of Wallace road for less than a mile. Even if it went past Glen Creek Road, it has to come back onto Wallace at some point.<br /><br />FDriving in West Salem is a maze of deadend streets. I think that part of the problem on Wallace is that you HAVE to use it. Some people are experimenting with avoiding it by taking Parkway. You can go from Orhcard Heights on Parkway, then on Cascade all the way to Rosemont and use that entrance to get on the bridge much easier and faster. <br /><br />Problem is that Cascade Dr is a pretty narrow and winding road. It pushes cars into the neighborhoods. Also, the intersection of Parkway and Glen Creek and Cascade Dr are not aligned, so you have to jog over and it is causing a lot of near misses....something that some day is going to be a bad accident one day soon.<br /><br />Wish that some effort would be put on finding streets on the flats that connect too. Now it is a mess of you-can't-get-there-from-here!<br /><br /><br />Susann Kaltwassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-10249488329523055132015-04-26T12:11:48.203-07:002015-04-26T12:11:48.203-07:00Thanks for highlighting the "good news" ...Thanks for highlighting the "good news" about Marine Drive. I am in favor of Marine Drive as a quiet, slow, local street with good bike/ped facilities. To hold it up for the 3rd Bridge is crazy. That Record of Decision is years away, if it ever happens.<br /><br />As for bike boulevards, another problem with the TGM grant approach is that at the City Council goal setting work session the other night, a majority of the Council appeared to be in favor of resubmitting a TGM application to plan the bridgeheads for the 3rd Bridge. This application was turned down by ODOT last year. It had local opposition from NO 3rd Bridge which we hope contributed to its rejection (TGM applications probably rarely attract local opposition). So if Salem resubmits, a bad application from Salem will be competing with a good one for the bike boulevard pilot.<br /><br />Yet another case where the 3rd Bridge is messing up potential good developments in Salem.Jim Scheppkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04077003905171156283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-71882925354339984892015-04-25T14:09:22.715-07:002015-04-25T14:09:22.715-07:00I think bike boulevards are pretty experimental ou...I think bike boulevards are pretty experimental outside a handful of cities around the country. Outside of Portland, I'm not aware of any other city in Oregon that has fully embraced them. Definitely not in Corvallis or Bend. Maybe there is one in Eugene? Even in Portland, there was intense neighborhood resistance to them initially. <br /><br />As far as I can tell, this would be the first time that Salem has planned a complete bike route in a single project. It might even be the first bike specific planning effort for Salem (Portland seems to roll one out every year). City staff also have been very quick to respond to the bike boulevard advocates. Those are things that should be worthy of unconditional, enthusiastic support from this blog.Curtnoreply@blogger.com