tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post8320534051049341604..comments2024-03-25T17:49:41.408-07:00Comments on Salem Breakfast on Bikes: Creekside Water Rate Debate Omits Climate Change and Prospect of DroughtSalem Breakfast on Bikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-74649418485644390342016-08-18T13:35:02.698-07:002016-08-18T13:35:02.698-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Doug's Transportation Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17260778462957240455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-14099345386669758272016-08-16T15:20:23.692-07:002016-08-16T15:20:23.692-07:00There's a fundamental error in the argument ov...There's a fundamental error in the argument over jobs. The impact if one business closes depends on what people do with the money they previously spent at that business.<br /><br />That is, if one golf course closes, other golf courses may well get the business, leading to a similar number of jobs being supported and no net loss of jobs.<br /><br />Now, one can make various assumptions about what are replacement products for golfing at Creekside, and saying that golfing at other courses isn't a substitute good (as economists call them). What's really going on, one could say, is business networking, and those people will now rent fishing boats or buy fancy bicycles to do those meetings, etc.<br /><br />Or one could say that Creekside golfers will buy products from out of Salem instead, meaning a shifting of jobs from local Salem jobs to other places.<br /><br />But if Creekside closes, it's not as simple as saying those people who specifically lose their jobs are the end of the local economic analysis.Evan Manvelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-68355357311606602602016-08-16T08:48:25.103-07:002016-08-16T08:48:25.103-07:00This is a good analysis of the various issues invo...This is a good analysis of the various issues involved but excludes one of the major ones -- flooding in the Battle Creek, Mill Creek drainages and the role the golf couse and other open, undeveloped space plays in water retention during peak rain periods. That also is under consideration as you consider alternative uses for the golf course. <br />Again, you are right. This is a complicated issue and the simplistic way it is dealt with by reporters and bloggers is designed to persuade not inform residents as to the problems this city faces in water policy now and in the future. It would be nice if it all boiled down to simple answers like do or don't give a reduction in rates. But, try to explain how that helps those being flooded in Battle Creek, or in downtown Salem. Chuck Bennett, Councilor, Ward 1<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02569427975798472855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-22164162123345125282016-08-16T08:40:26.460-07:002016-08-16T08:40:26.460-07:00Excellent analysis SBOB as usual. I think the time...Excellent analysis SBOB as usual. I think the time will come when we will need to ban irrigation of golf courses and lawns in the summertime in order to have enough water to drink, unless we want to pay exorbitant water rates. For the time being, however, we ought to be raising rates for "irrigators" (as the SJ article calls them) not lowering them. We also ought to be doing more to help poor people pay their water bills and not have their water turned off which, according to Susann Kaltwasser, is a problem in Salem. She says Eugene and Portland have programs to help the poor and we do not.Jim Scheppkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04077003905171156283noreply@blogger.com