tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post9127697281943755006..comments2024-03-25T17:49:41.408-07:00Comments on Salem Breakfast on Bikes: Wait What?! Downtown Bike Lanes for Church and High this Summer!Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-8469431113496103422016-03-07T12:15:29.905-08:002016-03-07T12:15:29.905-08:00Yeah, this is definitely a situation where that br...Yeah, this is definitely a situation where that bromide about the perfect and the good is apt.<br /><br />But also - don't forget about <a href="http://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2016/02/state-street-study-announces-meetings-memos.html" rel="nofollow">the State Street Open House on the 8th</a>.<br /><br />It's much easier to shape and influence a project at the beginning than at the end!Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-15905173024042897752016-03-07T09:52:45.877-08:002016-03-07T09:52:45.877-08:00The project will convert excess general traffic la...The project will convert excess general traffic lanes into a bike facility. This is a good thing! Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good here- show up and support the concept while hoping for more in the future.<br /><br />The fact is this project can be done relatively cheaply- pretty much just paint, maybe some signage. <br /><br />A protected bike lane, which would be awesome, would require changes to the curbs at intersections. This is much more expensive to do, as there is more construction work required. There are also accessibility and storm water concerns.<br /><br />A two-way facility has these same problems, but also add additional signal masts at each signalized intersection, and you are getting into six-digit costs at each intersection. Multiply this over the length of the project and what was a relatively simple project becomes prohibitively costly.<br /><br />While frustrating, the fact is sometimes we have to take what we can get, as pressing for the "best" solution is not financially or politically feasible. The last time we had an opportunity to reassign lanes on a downtown street we ended up with sharrows on Commercial. So this is progress. Let's get this installed, and press for the next project to be another step up.<br /><br />The things I will be asking about include the width of the travel lanes, and how right turns will be handled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-37584778824354681892016-03-06T19:45:58.323-08:002016-03-06T19:45:58.323-08:00My read at the moment is:
1) While two-way conver...My read at the moment is:<br /><br />1) While two-way conversion is in the longer-range plan, there is no way to do that this summer. So it is useful to urge the City to speed up implementation of two-way conversion more generally, but this is not something realistic to urge for this particular project.<br /><br />2) If there were sufficient political support and pressure, protected bike lanes with full separation might be possible on Church and High. But still, this seems rather unlikely. The project team (both City and consultant) for the study never appeared seriously to float or assess any concepts for Church or High that involved parked cars, planters, or anything else as separation beyond just the painted "buffer." (I think it was just too "radical" at the time.) So it would really require fans of multi-modal transport to mobilize in a loud and swarming way. And even that change seems unlikely in the schedule window before this summer's construction.<br /><br />However! Just because it seems unlikely doesn't mean it's not a good idea to ask the City to consider it. At least theoretically there is the next round, which would include the two-way conversion, and then better protection and separation will be in order.<br /><br />So go to the open house and add your request for more robust protected bike lanes! Let the City know there's pent-up demand. Even if this project can't be nudged, there's still the Union Street project that can be improved.Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-16834679989036937232016-03-06T18:49:43.693-08:002016-03-06T18:49:43.693-08:00I note that there is parking, then the bike lane, ...I note that there is parking, then the bike lane, then the car lane. How about putting the bike lane on the curb side of the parking spaces so that riders are protected from traffic by a row of parked cars? Is there a practical reason that can not be done? - Peter BergelPeter Bergelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629407055502098912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-51122876587523947002016-03-06T17:13:38.723-08:002016-03-06T17:13:38.723-08:00How about separated bike lanes! - I know stop with...How about separated bike lanes! - I know stop with the fantasizing!Melindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-79845527402062497102016-03-03T15:50:16.666-08:002016-03-03T15:50:16.666-08:00How about turning them into two-way also!How about turning them into two-way also!Leenoreply@blogger.com