tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post6426757937235084206..comments2024-03-25T17:49:41.408-07:00Comments on Salem Breakfast on Bikes: City Council, January 13th - Multi-family Housing Standards and Sneckdown AlertSalem Breakfast on Bikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-10517627959003525892020-01-30T07:43:12.457-08:002020-01-30T07:43:12.457-08:00Re: "can you show me where these properties a...Re: "can you show me where these properties are located that would be available for apartments?"<br /><br />I don't think this is necessary. <br /><br />You may be right that some of the details need correction, and they can be corrected in a subsequent iteration of code amendments.<br /><br />But the most basic problem is that it appears you think criticism of the details is also criticism of the framework and invalidates the whole framework.<br /><br />What is wrong about a policy to co-locate frequent transit and multi-family housing? That framework is sound!<br /><br />If we find there are difficulties on that, we should make adjustments rather than throwing out the whole co-location policy.<br /><br />(If you would like maps, here are discussions of two maps. One is <a href="https://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2018/12/city-council-december-10th-costco.html" rel="nofollow">from Our Salem</a>, the other <a href="http://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2018/12/redditors-bus-map-shows-our-salem-what-to-do.html" rel="nofollow">from a Redditor</a>.)<br /><br />Your <a href="https://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2020/01/surveying-themes-in-criticism-of-missing-middle-housing.html" rel="nofollow">theory of flight is discussed here</a>. "But while some people may indeed move out, more will find attractive the improved amenities that cluster with a little higher densities, [and] will find attractive the opportunity to ditch a car..."Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-21960600840166522032020-01-30T04:46:33.388-08:002020-01-30T04:46:33.388-08:00Just a clarifying question about putting multifami...Just a clarifying question about putting multifamily housing on bus corridors....can you show me where these properties are located that would be available for apartments? " The corridors include, in part, Commercial Street SE, Liberty Street SE, Lancaster Drive NE, Market Street NE, Center Street NE, State Street, Edgewater Street NW, and Salem’s Downtow." <br /><br />So, what spaces would be open on that list? commercial and Liberty are all pretty much developed except those that are in the CRUD overlay which prohibits further redevelopment unless it looks like a house. <br /><br />My observation says that leaves Center Street which is too narrow even if they tear down all the houses from 13th to 24th Street. Is the City suggesting doing that?<br /><br />Or perhaps they mean Market Street. The area between 12th and Evergreen has an overlay for RM now. But no one has built there except a duplex in decades. The City has wanted to see that area turned into apartments for years, but the problem is that you have to buy up at least enough land to go deeper into the block than just one house on the frontage. We actually looked at this area when we did the RM design standards in the 1990s and the NA really objected to the overlay, but accepted it only because it would stop commercial encroachment.<br /><br />But, IF there were a possibility to add multifamily (even smaller projects) the issue is that Market has a smaller right of way than would be necessary. To meet the street standards there would be a need to do away with the requirement for bike lanes. In that area there are 4 lanes now...no parking allowed and a lot of zoomy traffic. <br /><br />What bothers me about the whole process is that it doesn't look like they ever did a 'reality check' on how the recommendations might result in actually providing more housing. If you write a rule to make something possible, it seems to me that you have to write the rules that actually make something possible!<br /><br />BTW, one of the things that we learned when doing the study years ago, was that you can get as much housing as rezoning, by just building mixed use...apartments over shops. But no one wants to do that, so we figured why bother putting that in the code.<br /><br />If we are going to build our way into more housing, seems to me that we have to adopt codes that will get us to that goal. I don't think we have tackled that issue yet.<br /><br />Truth is that at some point, the City is goin to have to look at just re-zoning some more RM land. And neighbors are going to have to accept more 3-story high structures in their residential areas. <br /><br />All of this is going to push some people out into rural areas or smaller bedroom communities (sprawl?). It is the pattern that we have seen for decades so I am not sure how the City thinks it is going to change for us. People blame the planning codes, but I blame human nature. We already see huge projects going in Jefferson and Independence.Susann Kaltwassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-69201276812703363042020-01-13T18:48:34.180-08:002020-01-13T18:48:34.180-08:00On the call-up to correct a couple of scrivener...On the call-up to correct a couple of scrivener's errors, Morningside NA adds <a href="https://salem.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=AO&ID=83870&GUID=85e8053f-3ef4-47ac-922e-5d00dcf57903&N=MS0xMy0yMCBDb3VuY2lsIFdyaXR0ZW4gVGVzdGltb255IDE%3d" rel="nofollow">a letter raising some substantive issues</a>. <br /><br />In particular they write, "MNA was promised (by the applicant’s presentation to neighborhood) 'a pedestrian sidewalk for the full length of the Reed Road frontage'. 'All the way'." And they request that "the Reed Road bike/ped walkway, within a half-street improvement, be included in the conditions of approval."Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.com