tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post7348828641537354110..comments2024-03-25T17:49:41.408-07:00Comments on Salem Breakfast on Bikes: Climate Survey Results show Risks of Prioritizing PopularitySalem Breakfast on Bikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-24251921182607630852021-04-10T12:21:15.182-07:002021-04-10T12:21:15.182-07:00The task force disappoints me in that eliminating ...The task force disappoints me in that eliminating parking minimums is on their bottom ten preferences.<br /><br />Shows they still have a too car centric mind set.<br />greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756595224742896667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-487106428052592862021-04-10T07:13:32.146-07:002021-04-10T07:13:32.146-07:00(Added more clips from the slide deck for the meet...(Added more clips from the slide deck for the meeting.)Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-13681767639802410862021-04-09T07:30:24.621-07:002021-04-09T07:30:24.621-07:00Re: "what people want from their urban enviro...Re: "what people want from their urban environment: more contact with nature"<br /><br />We disagree on the way this should be evaluated. The claim here is that this wish for more contact with nature is generally understood by autoist logic and autoist aesthetics. What people want is ornamental emptiness in autoist spacing: Big lots, single houses, lots of trees, useful things spaced far apart at car-dependent distances, parks fringed by few residences and no businesses, with uncrowded and often empty parky amenities. It should be pretty, and too many people ruin pretty.<br /><br />For more discussion of this see "<a href="https://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-ornamental-emptiness-at-state-hospital-north-campus-looking-forward-nen-sesna-plan.html" rel="nofollow">No Ornamental Emptiness at the State Hospital!</a>" (2014), <a href="https://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2014/03/ada-louise-huxtable-cien-anos-devin-laurence-field-conference-center-sculpture-garden-public-art-commission.html" rel="nofollow">"An Avenging Angel of Autoism and Ada Louise Huxtable at the Sculpture Garden</a>" (2014), "<a href="https://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2018/03/stream-of-mystery-and-too-much-open-space-shelton-ditch-pringle-creek-paths-shelton-ditch-bridge-and-pedestrian-walks.html" rel="nofollow">Stream of Mystery and too much Open Space: Shelton Ditch and Pringle Creek Paths</a>" (2018), and "<a href="https://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2018/12/good-cents-ornament-for-mill-races-emptiness-oregon-environmental-council-loving-oregon-hilde-pitt.html" rel="nofollow">The Sense of Good Cents: Ornament for the Mill Race's Emptiness</a>" (2018).<br /><br />Once we get out from under the autoism, then we can have a useful conversation about contact with nature. But until the "natural" destinations are conceived fundamentally as walk-to destinations to be in rather than drive-to destinations to look at, we whiff on the emissions problem.Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-6492519944164219522021-04-08T22:39:17.139-07:002021-04-08T22:39:17.139-07:00I wouldn't dismiss the community's respons...I wouldn't dismiss the community's response as aesthetics. I think it tells us something important about what people want from their urban environment: more contact with nature. The fact that the community list doesn't coincide with the most impactful policies on greenhouse gases has more to do with a poor survey design. MikeSlaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12268542369885405628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-39150143748922563182021-04-08T16:29:21.559-07:002021-04-08T16:29:21.559-07:00To have a sham plan is worse than having no plan a...To have a sham plan is worse than having no plan at all.Susann Kaltwassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-36206111101077815522021-04-08T07:51:10.243-07:002021-04-08T07:51:10.243-07:00Updated with clip from the meeting.Updated with clip from the meeting.Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.com