tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post7402401787618528969..comments2024-03-25T17:49:41.408-07:00Comments on Salem Breakfast on Bikes: Proposed Vacation of Rights-of-Way at Blind School Held Open for CommentSalem Breakfast on Bikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-81425578943216788232014-09-29T19:14:25.296-07:002014-09-29T19:14:25.296-07:00SBOB: I'm am not suggesting that you are will...SBOB: I'm am not suggesting that you are willing to waive parking requirements. The hospital should not interpret SCAN's input as an endorsement to waive the parking requirements (or the boundary street improvements required in code). SCAN's input had nothing to do with the most objectionable aspects of this development. Curtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-55620550960371230112014-09-23T20:08:30.719-07:002014-09-23T20:08:30.719-07:00@Curt - you might be right, but I'm also not s...@Curt - you might be right, but I'm also not sure I understand your objection and critique. Unfortunately I can't locate a source document, but two-three years ago during early conversations with the Hospital one of the requests from the neighborhood association was related in indirect summary <a href="http://breakfastonbikes.blogspot.com/2012/02/pringle-squares-inactive-edges-curse-of.html" rel="nofollow">this way</a>:<br /><br />"<i>The neighborhood has suggested a sort of triangle for structure: Along Church Street low buildings, low intensity activity, and greenscape should be the predominant note; building height and activity should slope upwards to meet the mid-rise and more intense kind of development in the hospital towers and buildings on Winter Street.</i>"<br /><br />It is this request that I think may have backfired.<br /><br />If the Hospital had proposed a larger, multi-use facility in an urban form flush with the sidewalk on Church Street, instead of the current suburban office park model set back, would the NA have gone along? My sense was they wanted a mainly empty "greenway" along Church Street, not a streetcar-scaled building.<br /><br />So the hypothesis here is that the Hospital eventually will want to build more on the parking lot areas, and that giving them more flexibility along Church Street now might have eased the pressure on Howard Hall and made it easier to push around all the different pieces into a compromise site configuration that preserved Howard Hall, preserved more (but perhaps not all) trees, and gave the Hospital the redevelopment they wanted.<br /><br />As for the Hospital's proposed parking stall overage, of course it remains thoroughly wrong-headed, and I hope there's nothing here that actually suggests "a license [or reason] to waive the parking requirements." (That you read in this the possibility is surprising!)<br /><br />@Susann - I think flooding of this magnitude is caused by the Willamette backing up Pringle Creek rather than the sort of more local flash-y flood we might get from immediate surface run-off. The 1964 flood was about 7 feet higher than the 2012 flood and 2 feet higher than the 1996 flood. It would be interesting for a hydrologist to chime in, but I suspect that pervious vs. impervious surfaces at this specific site, even for a hideously large parking lot, wouldn't be implicated in meaningfully increasing severe flooding right here.Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-34251454351073456422014-09-23T17:22:59.407-07:002014-09-23T17:22:59.407-07:00Thank you for digging up the pciture of the floodi...Thank you for digging up the pciture of the flooding problem in this area. My assumption is that by taking out all of the trees and lawn then grading the land to put in an impermeable surface parking lot will increase the likelihood of more flooding. Plus, this parking lot is going to put more pollution into the creek. Yes, yes, I know they say they put in all this natural filtation systems now, but truth is that in heavy rain and flooding all that 'protection' goes out the window.Susann Kaltwassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-17553228101789480142014-09-23T16:47:54.035-07:002014-09-23T16:47:54.035-07:00Your critique of SCANs position is not entirely fa...Your critique of SCANs position is not entirely fair. The absolute best case scenario for SCAN would have been for the entire OSB campus to be preserved. Which is significantly more density than what we are getting with this proposal. The neighborhood's desire to keep that section of the property at similar levels of density should not be conflated with a zero density parking lot. Nor should it be construed as a license to waive the parking requirements under SRC 133.Curtnoreply@blogger.com