tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post7932489336919915865..comments2024-03-25T17:49:41.408-07:00Comments on Salem Breakfast on Bikes: City Announces New Crosswalk CommitteeSalem Breakfast on Bikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-85159807706228557502018-09-20T22:15:19.824-07:002018-09-20T22:15:19.824-07:00Every time I drive through the old part of Salem w...Every time I drive through the old part of Salem with the grid system, narrower streets and beautiful old trees, I know exactly what we need to do!Susann Kaltwassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-12898871359725053542018-09-20T08:36:29.531-07:002018-09-20T08:36:29.531-07:00(Added the Strong Towns graphic for emphasis!)(Added the Strong Towns graphic for emphasis!)Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-67804066568066327532018-09-20T07:52:15.727-07:002018-09-20T07:52:15.727-07:00You are absolutely right that changes to posted sp...You are absolutely right that changes to posted speeds without changes to road design are ineffective. That's why "traffic calming" comes first! Whole systems need to change, and not merely signage.Salem Breakfast on Bikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15618055627843335993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5666195730630249633.post-53337871212237310542018-09-19T23:21:50.591-07:002018-09-19T23:21:50.591-07:00I am of mixed mind with respect to reductions in p...I am of mixed mind with respect to reductions in posted speeds — I drive the posted speeds now and often end up in real fear that an aggressive driver behind me is going to slam into me for doing so. When you drive the posted speed on Market or 17th, when you turn, you will most often feel nervous as you hear the big truck/suv behind you stomp on the gas, and you worry about having your rear end clipped by an overenthused driver suddenly liberated from the torture of driving within the speed limits. <br /><br />In other words, as we have long known, it’s the width, (lack of) curvature and smoothness of the road that are proportional to and set the actual speed; the posted speed is like a ritual incantation that we pretend has some power to change road speeds, kind of like people who imagine that hoisting US flags increases patriotism.<br /><br />I would be all in favor of lowering speeds on roads if we would simultaneously narrow the roads or apply other treatments (speed humps, etc.) that would cause drivers to actually want to drive slower. If we demand that drivers drive well below the road design speed, we’re just setting ourselves up for hostility and really aggressive drivers acting badly.Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12731260619465817652noreply@blogger.com